Re: Those who admit they HAVE a president named BUSH!

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Posted by Annieb


Obviously, he is not an idiot and, most of our country seems to think he is doing a good job

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Re: Those who admit they HAVE a president named BUSH!

Message edited 12/2/2005 8:28:25 PM.

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hey AnneB not a flame just a and a thank you! I agree. I know not everyone shares our views but as plenty have stated it is okay we don't live in a cookie cutter world and we are all allowed ot have our opinions so .....I just wanted to expres that I agree with you.

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Not saying whether I like or dislike but we have to realize that the President does not make any decision on his own. There is the cabinet, the senate, the congress, etc.

The President isn't running the country alone...

Re: Those who admit they HAVE a president named BUSH!

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Posted by Annieb


And Bush's 59 million plus popular vote total is the most votes received in the history of this country, surpassing Reagan's total in 1984.


You are completely entitled to your views

But regarding the above quote. . .

I just have to point out that the 48.27% of America who voted for Kerry (50.73% voted for Bush) was also the highest number of people voting for a losing Presidential candidate in the history of this country. . . unless of course you include Gore - but if you ask me he won that election.

2004 was the smallest margin of victory for a sitting president in the history of this country. (50.73% to 48.27%)

If you consider a vote for Kerry or Nadar as a vote against Bush - then in 2004 more people voted against Bush than any other sitting President in our country's history.

(numbers from Wikpedia.com)

So the fact that he was re-elected doesnt speak for itself - in my opinion.

Message edited 9/14/2005 10:35:11 PM.

Re: Those who admit they HAVE a president named BUSH!

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Posted by lilqtny

hey AnneB not a flame just a and a thank you! I agree. I know not everyone shares our views but as plenty have stated it is okay we don't live in a cookie cutter world and we are all allowed ot have our opinions so .....I just wanted to expres that I agree with you.

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Re: Those who admit they HAVE a president named BUSH!

I agree with everyone you'd expect me to agree with and have to give a big ditto sign to.

freedom of dissent. it's huge. it's wonderful. keep it alive

also, people act like bush is some victim of the media, but every president I can remember has been slammed by te media and hard. I mean, just look at Clinton. At least Bush is being criticized for his policy and not his bedroom behavior.

I believe we have a much more divided country than we did ten years ago. No poll I;'ve seen recently has shown any pverwhelming support for Bush..the numbers have been low since before the katrina disaster and resulting debacle. I think it's impossible to say that most of the country supports Bush and the dissenters are few. I feel we're a very divided country.

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Posted by takeoutcook

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Posted by Annieb


And Bush's 59 million plus popular vote total is the most votes received in the history of this country, surpassing Reagan's total in 1984.


You are completely entitled to your views

But regarding the above quote. . .

I just have to point out that the 48.27% of America who voted for Kerry (50.73% voted for Bush) was also the highest number of people voting for a losing Presidential candidate in the history of this country. . . unless of course you include Gore - but if you ask me he won that election.

2004 was the smallest margin of victory for a sitting president in the history of this country. (50.73% to 48.27%)

If you consider a vote for Kerry or Nadar as a vote against Bush - then in 2004 more people voted against Bush than any other sitting President in our country's history.

(numbers from Wikpedia.com)

So the fact that he was re-elected doesnt speak for itself - in my opinion.

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Exactly what everyone was trying to say but takeoutcook, you said it best!

Re: Those who admit they HAVE a president named BUSH!

Take a look at George W's transcript to see how successful he was at Yale. He got in through connections, and was not a stellar student when he was there...He had been admitted with an SAT score of 1206, which would have gotten no one else into Yale, but having your grandfather and father attend did help him get in...His IQ is 100, while not bad, is not Mensa material either.

Message edited 9/15/2005 9:34:25 AM.

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I read that Bush's grades actually were slightly better than Kerry's, got progressively better over the 4 years (kerry's didn't -- were just steadily mediocre to bad) and Bush's lowest grade was better than Kerry's. Know you didn't make the comparison but so many people during the election were so quick to crucify Bush as dumb and not a good student at Yale when they had no clue how the candidate they touted as the "intellectual" performed at the same university.

Free speech is a great thing and we're all entitled. One thing we all benefit from though is not to be dismissive of those with opposing views when we express our own. I love politics... I love debate and I will engage it in with anyone. IN fact, I often find it enjoyable. I just can't take it when people don't give me basic respect for my opinions or at least try to have some level of objectivity when talking with someone who has the opposing viewpoint. (general commentary, not based on LIW)

Message edited 9/15/2005 4:26:24 PM.

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Kerry's grades did improve. Kerry started with a 71 average freshman year and finished with an 81 average senior year, while Bush had received a cumulative score of 77 for his first three years at Yale and a roughly similar average during his senior year.

But something good did come of his mediocre grades! When he spoke at the Yale convocation he said, “To those of you who’ve received honors, awards, and distinctions, I say well done, and to the C students…I say, you too can be President of the United States.” And to those D students, a Senator perhaps? Supreme Court Justice?


Here's Bush's transcript

Message edited 9/15/2005 4:49:51 PM.

Re: Those who admit they HAVE a president named BUSH!

That was a good line in that speech and your add on was funnier... I was wrong about Kerry's grades not getting better -- they did. but Bush still graduated with an overall GPA one point higher than Kerry (77-76) and Kerry got 4 Ds while there, Bush only one.

"In 1999, The New Yorker published a transcript indicating that Bush had received a cumulative score of 77 for his first three years at Yale and a roughly similar average under a non-numerical rating system during his senior year.


Kerry, who graduated two years before Bush, got a cumulative 76 for his four years, according to a transcript that Kerry sent to the Navy when he was applying for officer training school. He received four D's in his freshman year out of 10 courses, but improved his average in later years. The grade transcript, which Kerry has always declined to release, was included in his Navy record. During the campaign the Globe sought Kerry's naval records, but he refused to waive privacy restrictions for the full file.


Bush went to Yale from 1964 to 1968; his highest grades were 88s in anthropology, history, and philosophy, according to The New Yorker article. He received one D in his four years, a 69 in astronomy. Bush has said he was a C student."

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Grades don't always translate into how intelligent a person is. I have known some pretty ignorant people who were excellent students and some extremely intelligent people who were horrible student. I myself was not a good student, but I think I am relatively intelligent.

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Posted by heidla

Grades don't always translate into how intelligent a person is. I have known some pretty ignorant people who were excellent students and some extremely intelligent people who were horrible student. I myself was not a good student, but I think I am relatively intelligent.

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Re: Those who admit they HAVE a president named BUSH!

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Posted by nov04LIbride

Here's Bush's transcript

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Message edited 9/15/2005 5:27:42 PM.

Re: Those who admit they HAVE a president named BUSH!

It is a good point that it isn't exactly a clear document, but i have no idea what was customary then. In case you're interested the info I quoted re: Bush and Kerry grades was a Boston Globe article.

Bush's grades were such a major issue in the campaign though that I tend to think if there'd been issues with whether the transcript was legit, someone would have been all over it!!

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Posted by SomethingBlu

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Posted by nov04LIbride

Here's Bush's transcript

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Was it customary for grades to be hand written on a transcript back then? Is anyone else concerned that most of Bush's grades (including the "highest") was handwritten? Or is this normal?

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Re: Those who admit they HAVE a president named BUSH!

"It is neither patriotic nor intelligent to support your government when it is wrong"

Albert Einstein

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Additionally, it is fact that Bush was rejected by UT Law School...unheard of for the child of a famous and well-connected man. But he was such a poor student, and so uncommitted that they did reject. Bush's dad got him into his own alma mater, and since one of my in-laws is on the admissions board at Princeton, I can tell you how that happened $$$$$

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Posted by julybride44

"It is neither patriotic nor intelligent to support your government when it is wrong"

Albert Einstein

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Re: Those who admit they HAVE a president named BUSH!

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Posted by julybride44

Additionally, it is fact that Bush was rejected by UT Law School...unheard of for the child of a famous and well-connected man. But he was such a poor student, and so uncommitted that they did reject. Bush's dad got him into his own alma mater, and since one of my in-laws is on the admissions board at Princeton, I can tell you how that happened $$$$$

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Message edited 9/17/2005 8:45:43 AM.

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He was a c student with connections - no one knows what he might have earned on his own merit, I'm sorry, I just don't put a lot of credence into his grades considering his family connections.

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Posted by Annieb

I also want to say that the reason I voted for George Bush is because I trust him - I believe he is a man of integrity and faith that places great importance on the value of human life. I trust him to keep us safe and to make the decisions he truly believes are right for our country. ...

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Posted by takeoutcook:
You are completely entitled to your views

But regarding the above quote. . .

I just have to point out that the 48.27% of America who voted for Kerry (50.73% voted for Bush) was also the highest number of people voting for a losing Presidential candidate in the history of this country. . . unless of course you include Gore - but if you ask me he won that election.

2004 was the smallest margin of victory for a sitting president in the history of this country. (50.73% to 48.27%)

If you consider a vote for Kerry or Nadar as a vote against Bush - then in 2004 more people voted against Bush than any other sitting President in our country's history.

(numbers from Wikpedia.com)

So the fact that he was re-elected doesnt speak for itself - in my opinion.

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Message edited 9/17/2005 4:26:53 PM.

Re: Those who admit they HAVE a president named BUSH!

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Posted by juju

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Posted by johnsae



I think he's kinda cute!

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I also think he's also kind of cute....not in a Johnny Depp way, of course!
Although, i think Bush is adorable also.....

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