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shamma
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8/3/2002 12:00 AM
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Chateau Briand A+
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Re: Allow me to introduce the day's controversy.....
Festivus for the rest of us, I could not resist 
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Posted 12/2/03 10:46 AM 
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Lisa Rose
'Tis the Season!!
Member since 2/01 7083 total posts
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10/20/2001 12:00 AM
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West Lake Inn
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Re: Allow me to introduce the day's controversy.....
Posted by Sonicstef
I write xmas all the time. I personally dont think god would care if I abbrevieate the name of the holiday on occasion - he has other things to worry about.
You just got a big X by your name in God's book!! because you do not think he worries about things like that!! 
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Posted 12/2/03 10:51 AM
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Sonicstef
FREE MARTHA !!!
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10/5/2002 12:00 AM
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Yale Club (NYC)
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Re: Allow me to introduce the day's controversy.....
If god is giving out demerits for things like that, I have other things to worry about b/c Im in a lot of trouble. Hhahahhaha
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Posted 12/2/03 10:52 AM
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Lisa Rose
'Tis the Season!!
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10/20/2001 12:00 AM
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West Lake Inn
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Re: Allow me to introduce the day's controversy.....
@ Stef!! You are right...I might even have my OWN book up there!!
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Posted 12/2/03 10:54 AM
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Jordan
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9/3/2004 6:30 PM
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Hamlet Wind Watch
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Re: Allow me to introduce the day's controversy.....
Posted by Sonicstef
For me, the holiday season (no matter your religion) is about celebrating the love we have for each other and taking some time aside to express it. As far as Im concerned, you could put up a christmas tree, menorah, wreath, snowflake or festivus pole - as long as the intention is one of love, Im all for it.
Ditto!
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Posted 12/2/03 10:55 AM
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Lisa Rose
'Tis the Season!!
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10/20/2001 12:00 AM
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West Lake Inn
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On a different note....does anyone go caroling anymore?? I remember as a kid, we used to go caroling all the time. Now, I never see anyone caroling!! Not that I have a voice for singing, but I am sure there are some wonderful voices out there!! 
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Posted 12/2/03 10:57 AM
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endlessluv429
Still feel like a newlywed!
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Re: Allow me to introduce the day's controversy.....
I agree totally with Lisa Rose--it really upsets me how far from the real meaning of Christmas we have gotten. FH & I were in HARROWS last night and there was not one mention or display of Christ's Birth anywhere except for a nativity scene for $1000 for sale in the corner. everything is santa and snowman and reindeer. it's ridiculous. now they have these huge blow up things for your lawn--I saw a Tigger one last night and no offense to anyone who has one but what does Tigger have to do with Christmas? It just really gets to me, how distorted the meaning of Christmas has become.
Message edited 12/2/2003 11:00:53 AM.
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Posted 12/2/03 11:00 AM
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Sonicstef
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10/5/2002 12:00 AM
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I grew up in the tristate area and I have never actually seen a single caroller. But every year I think it would be very cool to hear a bunch of angelic voices outside my door. Someone should start up a carolling group.
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Endless and others - I think everyone has to remember that there is a very large population of secular Christmas celebraters out there. I am not a religious person but love Christmas for the reasons I described earlier. It is not about celebrating a religious holiday to me - its about celebrating the love we have for each other. Much like Santa is the embodiement of the Christmas spirit, not the birth of Christ - we all have our own ways of celebrating. For those that celebrate the holiday as a religious rememberance, that is a wonderful thing. But there seems to be a lot of ANGER around people who do not share that belief. Why cant everyone celebrate how they want to and leave it at that? As long as the intent is a good one - why do people get upset if its not just how they celebrate it?
Message edited 12/2/2003 11:06:12 AM.
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Posted 12/2/03 11:01 AM
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Lisa Rose
'Tis the Season!!
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10/20/2001 12:00 AM
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West Lake Inn
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I would come to your house Stef to sing....but I fear that I would get tomatos thrown at me and the dogs would be howling!!
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Posted 12/2/03 11:03 AM
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Misty
Beyond Obsession
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Re: Allow me to introduce the day's controversy.....
Stef, we live in Brooklyn...when a group of people that I don't know knock on my door...I usually turn off the lights and lock the doors/windows.
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Posted 12/2/03 11:04 AM
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Sonicstef
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Really Misty??? I guess its scrooges like you that killed all the carollers in my neighborhood. hahhahaha Ba-humbug to you!!
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Posted 12/2/03 11:07 AM
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yabbobay
Tolerance
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Re: Allow me to introduce the day's controversy.....
The whole reason for the "holiday tree" term is so that governments (towns) can put up a christmas tree...there has to be a line in the separation of state and church...if you let one thing pass...than you set a precedent for so many others
the same way Christians are upset the menorah is up (and not the tree), other religious groups are upset when Christian religious symbols are up (anyway you look at it...if you call it a CHRISTmas tree...it has a religious connotation to it)
I wish that Christians who make up the majority of this country have a little respect and compassion for the rest...why b/c they are the majority must the minority have to succumb to the religion?
as for xmas...if you want to get to the nitty gritty...I always thought the X was a substitute for the greek symbol Chi ("X") that Emperor Constantine saw in the sky as a sign in battle and converted....so I think you could feel comfortable about using it...
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Posted 12/2/03 11:07 AM
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eroxgirl
Mr. & Mrs. Eroxs
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6/19/2004 12:00 PM
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Westbury Manor
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Re: Allow me to introduce the day's controversy.....
Posted by Misty
Stef, we live in Brooklyn...when a group of people that I don't know knock on my door...I usually turn off the lights and lock the doors/windows.
we shut the tv, tiptoe to the door and slowly look through the peephole and yell "WE DON'T WANT ANY" through the locked door
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Posted 12/2/03 11:09 AM
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endlessluv429
Still feel like a newlywed!
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11/6/2004 12:00 AM
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North Ritz Club
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Re: Allow me to introduce the day's controversy.....
i'm not angry that others don't celebrate like I do - It just upsets me how far we have gotten from the real reason for the season. Without the birth of Christ, there would be no Christmas Holiday, therefore no other way to celebrate unless someone invented their own holiday haha
to all who celebrate it in a non-religous manner-a blessed holiday season to you-as long as the intent is a good one as sonicstef said-that is fine, if that is how you choose to celebrate-I can understand that not everyone believes what I do.
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Posted 12/2/03 11:10 AM
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Misty
Beyond Obsession
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Posted by eroxgirl
Posted by Misty
Stef, we live in Brooklyn...when a group of people that I don't know knock on my door...I usually turn off the lights and lock the doors/windows.
we shut the tv, tiptoe to the door and slowly look through the peephole and yell "WE DON'T WANT ANY" through the locked door
A crotchety old woman that lived next door to us in my old neighborhood used to do this everytime my dad would go over to check if she was still alive.
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Posted 12/2/03 11:12 AM
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Sonicstef
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10/5/2002 12:00 AM
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Erox: Oh no!! Bahumbug to you too!!
Do the carollers want money or something? I have never even heard about them no less seen them. Send them to my house!!
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Posted 12/2/03 11:12 AM
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yabbobay
Tolerance
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Posted by endlessluv429
i'm not angry that others don't celebrate like I do - It just upsets me how far we have gotten from the real reason for the season. Without the birth of Christ, there would be no Christmas Holiday, therefore no other way to celebrate unless someone invented their own holiday haha
thats not true...almost every single religion has a holiday to celebrate the shortest day of the year...that longer days and spring are coming...
"festival of light"
"yul" (actually the pagen holiday the Church replaced with Christmas)
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Posted 12/2/03 11:13 AM
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yabbobay
Tolerance
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Re: Allow me to introduce the day's controversy.....
on the caroller note...I grew up across the street from a Catholic Church...and my moms best friend was in the choir...so they would always stop by my house...b/c my mom liked it so much
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Posted 12/2/03 11:15 AM
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Jordan
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9/3/2004 6:30 PM
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Re: Allow me to introduce the day's controversy.....
Posted by yabbobay
I wish that Christians who make up the majority of this country have a little respect and compassion for the rest...why b/c they are the majority must the minority have to succumb to the religion?
Well said, I couldn't agree more!
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Posted 12/2/03 11:16 AM
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WhatNow?
Mom
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3/16/2003 5:30 PM
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Milleridge Inn
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Posted by cp0329
Posted by Sonicstef
For me, the holiday season (no matter your religion) is about celebrating the love we have for each other and taking some time aside to express it. As far as Im concerned, you could put up a christmas tree, menorah, wreath, snowflake or festivus pole - as long as the intention is one of love, Im all for it.
Ditto!
totally agree!
but, Stef, I belive Festivus for the Rest of Us was a holiday specifically invented by Frank Costanza to tell people how they have dissapointed him during the year, so that is not a holiday intended for expression of love!
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Posted 12/2/03 11:19 AM
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Sonicstef
FREE MARTHA !!!
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10/5/2002 12:00 AM
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Re: Allow me to introduce the day's controversy.....
Without the birth of Christ, there would be no Christmas Holiday
This is exactly what I mean! The idea that the Christian way is the first and only way when in fact, there has been a winter holiday since the beginning of history. The concept that the reason there is a holiday is because of Christianity is so wrong. If anything, paegans should be annoyed that the CHristians came and turned around their holiday celebrations into a religious thing!!
(The celebration of Christ's birth was only convienently shoved into December to make a Christian holiday mirror the paegan winter holidays. As Misty said, its widly accepted that Jesus Christ was born in the spring - but that would have been too close to Easter so it didnt fit the schedule!!!)
Anyway - I am a Christian and celebrate Christs birth as well. But its not all about that for me. I just think we all need to accept the fact that everyone celebrates in a different way and people should not get upset when they see something done differently than they do it. (not that anyone is getting upset here..just in general)
What now: yea, i was just joking with that one! Great Frank Constanza photo..hahaha
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Posted 12/2/03 11:19 AM
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shamma
I'M BLESSED & HIGHLY FAVORED!!
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8/3/2002 12:00 AM
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Posted by endlessluv429
i'm not angry that others don't celebrate like I do - It just upsets me how far we have gotten from the real reason for the season. Without the birth of Christ, there would be no Christmas Holiday, therefore no other way to celebrate unless someone invented their own holiday haha
to all who celebrate it in a non-religous manner-a blessed holiday season to you-as long as the intent is a good one as sonicstef said-that is fine, if that is how you choose to celebrate-I can understand that not everyone believes what I do.
Couldn't have said it better maself 
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Posted 12/2/03 11:21 AM
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endlessluv429
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Re: Allow me to introduce the day's controversy.....
i'm just saying that Christmas is to celebrate the birth of Christ--@ least the was the original intent--that's all--
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Posted 12/2/03 11:22 AM
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Misty
Beyond Obsession
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Re: Allow me to introduce the day's controversy.....
I just think we all need to accept the fact that everyone celebrates in a different way and people should not get upset when they see something done differently than they do it. (not that anyone is getting upset here..just in general)
Very well said. I grew up in a Jewish home, with no tree, no decorations...just a menorah pulled out of a box, and it didn't bother me one bit that just about every person I knew had something to do on December 25th. It used to be a day at the movies for me.
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Posted 12/2/03 11:22 AM
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yabbobay
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Re: Allow me to introduce the day's controversy.....
Posted by endlessluv429
i'm just saying that Christmas is to celebrate the birth of Christ--@ least the was the original intent--that's all--
well this has turned into a debate...dec 25th wasn't originally a holiday for the birth of Christ...if you want to be true...you have to celebrate it earlier...
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Posted 12/2/03 11:26 AM
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